Presidente Gallente
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2013.07.23 15:15:00 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote:As a goof we decided to do a ahac roam. I decided to go with the Ishtar (cause why not).
A few glaring things I noticed once I fit it out.
1) The CPU and Powergrid is horridly crappy if you fit a 1600 plate to it. Now you can fit a different item but see #2.
2), the Hit Points were absurdly cruddy even with the 1600 plate on it.
One of the other guys brought a Navy Vexor with him. It had a extra low slot to it. Now we fit the same tank (1600mm plate, eam, damage control, Active Explosive). With my 5th, I put a drone damage amplifier, in his 5th AND 6th Slot, he put 2 Drone Damage Amplifiers.
Now barring skill differences, while my resists were higher, my EHP was 8,000 to 10,000 less than his. Mine was around 35,000 (that is with a T2 Trimark and a T1 Ancillary). His, roughly 50,000.
Yes my resists are higher, but he has a MUCH larger tank. Why? My Native Hull Armor and Shield hit points are HALF of the Navy Vexors (ishtar's roughly 1600, Navy Vexor's 3000).
But wait I forgot about the signature. Yes the Navy Vexor's sig is LOWER than the Ishtar.
Navy Vexor Cost, 107 mil jita prices, Ishtar, 177 mil.
Dps? Navy Vexor does more damage with drones than the Ishtar, but the Ishtar does more damage with guns (navy was 99 damage, Ishtar was 160 damage, gun related) Drones balanced it out, but to sum it up... they did the same damage too.
The ONLY difference I can actually see, is that the Ishtar can field more backup drones. Not that it matters cause it will be dead, alongside the Diemost.
I really could not figure out how to get that ship to an acceptable level, with the Navy Ship has a higher tank, smaller signature, stronger sensor strength, more Tracking on drones, Equal Damage, and has 3 rig slots.
I'm completely puzzled about that.
I am flying the ishtar for ages and a lot. This ship is just awesome with low-slaves and if you like/can afford to fly expensive. The 1600 plated version with faction mods and t2 rigs and fleet bonuses is a beast. I use a med neut, 3x 200mm AC and a *cough* Salvager. With armor links and low slaves you will have 16923 armor with 83 89 95 81 what ist 96233 hp in EVE. You can imagine what you can fight and kill in this setup. With skirmish links, a faction disruptor and faction webber you have some semi-kite boat giving small gangs a hard time if you fly the grid right. A small cap booster with Navy 400's is mandatory. ECCM is my option for the last mid. The weakness of the ship are its drones ofc because more and more ppl attack them these days.
The Vexor Navy Issue is surprisingly better than the Ishtar. With a similar setup, a 1600 t2 and 800 t2 plate you will get with armor links an insane buffer tank of over 35K what is battleship class. The DPS is similar to the Ishtar. Without the 800 plate and a drone damage mod you'll get 642 DPS and over 27K armor with armor links. Without armor links it's 26K armor with 77 70 70 78. Issue here is lack of drones. If a buffer VNI fights the buffer Ishtar - talking about my fits - the Ishtar will lose if you don't care about killing the drones.
I am really looking forward to the Ishtar changes. Well, I won't have the option to salvage anymore :-P |